I don't have this one but have put in many hours with GTR2, which is by the same developer. Not that this will help since you've already got GT Legends but I've seen a double pack of GTR2 and GTL for $19.99. Check out www.nogripracing.com for mods and addons. GT Legends keeps the authentic driving experience from GTR and takes the game play to a new level with a career mode. Enjoy the historic GT cars with vehicles like Ford Mustang, Shelby Cobra, Corvette, Jaguar, Lotus, TVR and other goodies from the 60’s and 70’s. Key Features.
Troubling news are coming in from Sweden as Simbin Studios AB, long-time producer of sim racing titles, is apparently bankrupt and going out of business. The sad news has been confirmed by former Simbin employee AnneSofie W. As confirmed by AnneSofie, RaceRoom Racing Experience is planned to “continue in another setting”, the fact that staff has been laid off indicates that the new outfit will undergo some serious restructuring. Simbin’s long history goes back to the F1 2001 days when the Simbin Development Team started producing professional-grade mods for Image Space Incorporated’s Formula One title. Led by Ian Bell, the group went the professional route shortly after, producing the first GTR title as well as the still-popular GT Legends.
When Bell and most of the core team split to form Blimey Games and, a few years later, Slightly Mad Studios, Simbin continued from their base in Sweden, producing the RACE series and other touring-car themed titles such as the STCC series. The company seemed to have been in financial troubles several times during the past years according to various news reports, Simbin still seemed to be in good spirits, run alongside their RaceRoom Racing Experience and DTM Experience titles. The studio also employed plenty of household community names such as 6e66o, Com8 and feels3, always giving talented modders the chance to turn their passion into a profession. Hopefully all of Simbin’s employees that have lost their jobs will find a new position within the industry soon! Update: Simbin’s Jay Ekkel has shared some additional info right here on VirtualR: The actual story in short is this: “New studio, new location, new name, (almost) the same team.
Be ensured that all development on the project will continue. More interesting news to follow soon!”.
God Damnit, the problem is the business side of things are run by suits, they wanted a free to play model to maximize profit thinking they could make a f2p game with the best racing dev out there and that would work. They all want the next f.ing candy crush.
This would have never happened if Simbin would have stuck to what they do/did before, I am super upset cause I wrote them off for a year ( did not like the pricing model ) only to recently come back to the game and being literally obsesse with it. I tough Simbin the legend was back, this feels like a punch in the guts. The problem is the business side of things are run by suits, they wanted a free to play model to maximize profit thinking they could make a f2p game with the best racing dev out there and that would work.
They all want the next crap candy crush hit. This would have never happened if Simbin would have stuck to what they do/did before, I am super upset cause I wrote them off for a year only to recently come back to the game and being literally obsessed with it. Hopefully some people learn from this and don’t try to apply this to all their games ( wink wink EA ). I tough Simbin the legend was back, this feels like a punch in the guts. The optimistic in me would like to think that this most likely means good news in the long run.
But just the fact that the name Simbin is gone is enough to make me cringe, this dev gave us the best in sim racing for years and now their name is no longer going to appear when I launch the game, that is what bothers me the most. It has been said that this could be seen coming and, yes, it was kind of predictable. Yet it still feels so hard to believe when reading this piece. ? Really sad news.
Educated guess here 1) Investors want to jump on the “free to play micro transaction” train and offer cash and direct/buy a studio for investment purposes. I could never get into SimBin games.
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For me, being relatively new to PC sim racing I always got confused about what game / expansion pack was what, and what the differences were. I actually bought some SimBin bundle last year, I couldn’t tell you which one, and it installed a multitude of expansions in Steam, which I didn’t have the patience to understand the differences of.
In my mind the expansion approach isn’t the best approach to attract new people. For me this is one of the reasons why I never bothered to give SimBin products a solid go. Another other reason was that RACE Pro on Xbox360 felt kind of unfinished, and I found that the force feedback on the Xbox360 wheel would sometimes not work with the game. The final reason was I couldn’t really understand the advantages of the SimBin products over rFactor, when they are both running off the same engine. I’m surprised you don’t have the patience to understand Simbin titles but apparently do have the patience for rFactor.
The advantage of the older Simbin titles (GTR through the RACE series) is they are a complete package straight out of the box, rather than a mod platform. No hunting for tracks and mods of varying quality. You get all the cars and tracks from a licensed series and the rules too – eg reversed grid in WTCC races. Everyone has a different experience of the AI but in my experience the Simbin AI works far better. In the early days online racing is also simpler, but after many years and many mods today online racing is as complicated as rF.
Of course, if the racing series Simbin offers do not appeal (say you are an F1 or NASCAR fan) then they won’t be for you. The other advantage is the polish Simbin usually apply to thei ISI based titles. The quality of car and track modelling, the better UI, the addition of rain and animated driver arms, and the addition in some of their titles of animated pitcrew and livetrack. I can understand that buying everything in a bundle could be confusing. Expansion packs were really designed for existing owners of a game. In the old days when a developer brought out the next year of a championship (e.g. F1-2001, F1-2002, NASCAR 2002, NASCAR 2003) you had to buy the whole game again for full price even though many things were the same as in last years game.
The idea of an expansion pack is you just buy the new stuff at a reduced price. I absolutely enjoy all the Older Simbin titles. GTR 2 and Race 07 Series just simply works and is complete as you stated above.
I have bought all the expansions for just a little bit of green back and then always use the same old Race 07 game to launch and all the expansions are there in the game. This is the SIMPLEST of upgrades a game can have. Just put the Race 07 game in your Steam “Favorites” and all the expansions stay in your “All Games” list. Force Feedback, graphics, tracks, cars, and AI cars, etc just work and work great.
Oh, and if you like mods, then there are plenty of them also, but if not, the games themselves are complete. I was afraid that something like this would happen. Simracing just fills a niche in the gaming industry. And the way I see it, a strategy like F2P would be even more risky and possibly was/is the wrong choice for a game like R3E and such a small company like Simbin Studios. I think this kind of selling strategies only work with big game developers.
I really hope everybody at Simbin will find a new start in the new company or somewhere else. They definitely deserve it.
I’ll keep my fingers crossed. GTR was the first, then there came GTR2 and GT Legends (same platform), Next was the Race07 series (NOT “RACE”!), which was a bit confusing because the strong lisensing. GTR Evo was one of the add-ons and the latest was the Incjection (all add-ons can be recognized by the small box pic up-right of the boxes) – The todays platform R3E with a lot of content, and add-ons like the DTM and coming GT Masters and WTCC For me the Simbin has always been the more realistic sims. And for you that have not tested any content in R3E – have not experienced the R3E yet. – R3E is safe because the owner is Raceroom Ent. Oh the drama!
So why could you not find it within yourself to write, what is merely your own opinion, in a way that is not so blatantly derogatory? You seem to have a very self-important view of things in that it seems that you think you get to decide what does and doesn’t affect the site’s credibility.
First it was this article (one of nearly 8,000 that VR has posted over the years) and now my deletion of your comment. Getting a bit self-important there aren’t we? The deletion of your petty post brings the whole site disrepute?
? Well FYI, my deleting your comment has pretty much no effect on anything except your own feelings. I don’t care how many people (probably mainly Guests) voted it up. That is of little consequence to me if the content of the post is questionable. How derogatory to this site does a comment have to be before I stop letting it slide? You think I’d be looking after the interests of this blog if I let comments like that slide?
I think it would set a bad precedent and I’m not about to do that. If you want to express an opinion like that then you`ll just have to learn to do it in a way that isn’t so blunt otherwise it just comes across as trolling. Constructive criticism always pays. Oh and by the way if my deleting your post is ‘the only thing bringing down the credibility of this site’ (emphasis on ‘the only thing’) then that means the content of the article itself has not done that. That would in turn mean that your comment is a nonsense and was rightly removed. Your last post has (up to now) 3 guest votes.
My mere mention of it will increase that (thank me later). Guests because either people are too afraid to use their own names or because they are not members here. Either way it makes them irrelevant as far as I’m concerned.
Just so you know. “New studio, new location, new name,. (almost) the same team. Be ensured that all development on the project will continue. ” I’ve tried to highlight the important bits of the story, in case you miss them again.
THIS is the story, but you have massively prioritised the ex-employees sensationalist and negative version of Simbin ‘apparently bankrupt and going out of business’ – which may be technically correct but a long way away from the quote above, which a top guy at Simbin actually told you himself but you have only included at the end of the article under ‘additional information’.! I know all the first part of the article was already written by the time Ekkel replied – but this illustrates the fact that you clearly rushed into posting it without checking any facts and so are left with a headline and story which is pretty misleading. As a news site with an impressively large audience you should feel some responsibility to base things on facts – not just the first thing a potentially disgruntled ex-employee claims on facebook. This kind of reporting doesn’t damage the sites credibility – it just reinforces it’s position alongside other tabloid news sites. My god what an ass you are mr.
I dont know why you are so snarky about this but what you just said there was a load of hot air over nothing. Vr dont have time machine and from what i read the article was pretty much accurate even before jay ekkel replied. You are just being finiky for the sake of it.
Clearly some of the information was not available at the time but unless you have a time machine or a crystal ball, how can someone know this? At least it was updated later to the satisfaction of most people. What a chip you have on your shoulders. If I have an inkling of what other site you may be referring to I think the site is perfectly fine with plenty of interesting and informative members. I would prefer it not be an Us and Them discussion.
However if individuals do come here with the only intent to cause problems I ask what satisfaction do they think they are getting from doing so? The topic of this discussion in this thread while we may want to point to one reason or another if I may add one I’ll ad separatism as a reason as a drag on the whole Sim Race Industry. I think the point you mean is that we know what GTR1 and GTR2 are, we understand the format and enjoy the format. We were led to believe that GTR3 was coming out, assuming that format would be similar or an evolution of GTR2, instead we get R3E which is nothing like GTR games, and as far as I can tell, is inferior in nearly every aspect, unless you enjoy hotlapping. I don’t, so I have not bought any cars or tracks as I have no reference point for the AI.
If they’d just done a modern GTR, they would have made more money I think. Orrrrrrrr, they know that someone somewhere is always working on a legends mod, why not do that again? But without the stupid points system, just give an open game with all the historic cars we can get, and the physics of PnG. People have not yet understood the new business platform, and that is Simbins fault because the press/information lack. R3E has very limited free content, and this is becuase there is very expansive lisensing going on. This is an acurate and really more advanced sim because of lot of real-data use in the production.
– And this is why the R3E has been expensive to make, and it actually uses the real data from those the real Series made from. You can also see this coop from the RR Logo on the actual cars (DTM/GT Masters/WTCC). The stretch for making the very best simulator is also the reason why now Simbin is down (Capture 11 like.). But R3E is owned by Raceroom, so not to worry. – I guess the R3E would be too expansive for us to pay for without the new model. But you can choose to buy a lot of intereseting cars and tracks, or whole complete series with tracks Iike the DTM. That is that’s ok for me because I want it to be as real as possibly, instead of cheap and fast made free add-ons.
So R3E is a way like the great an longliving Race07 with complete Add-Ons. We also bougth them all! Afcouse also had som luck with mods. – So let us continue to support them all, AC/R3E and others. For me as a longtime Simbin racer, I have hours in Race07, but the last 2 years, I have been testing and beta-testing R3E which runned smoothly in MP from the start:-). – So let us remember that we should support the developers and the sims we like.
And those we do not support – we do not need to talke down. They are all made to get the best there is for us simracers, and some of them are ment to different markets. When the first GTR came out the only avaliable language was German, I was lucky at that time to be on a trip in Austria so i buy it, then i buy the international version. Now i own the Steam version as well.
The AI, live track and weather, MOTEC telemetry were unparallel ten years ago. Together with my Logitech Momo wheel we had some great time and learn so much about setups. Call me anachronistic but i hate the “Free2Race” model in RaceRoom. Just make the godamn GTR3 and let us diehards die happy. You are not anachronistic at all, Free2Play model is the main reason why they are failing. Free2Play works great on RPG’s but It will NEVER works in niche markets like simracing. The simracer is a different animal and he HATES limitations.
Do not try to charge money just for a single livery for a car, it’s not going to work. If developers can’t deliver a finished product in time the only business model is to charge for an alpha/beta/early access/whatever they call it version and constantly update the game for FREE, at least until 1.0. ISI SMS and Kunos are doing this. It’s a shame to see them close the doors, but it’s not surprising Simbin’s peak was GTR2. After Blimey was formed, Simbin’s Race series was good, but offered less features than GTR2. Another issue they have is very poor communication with what is a niche market.
Let’s take GTR3 for example, we got an announcement and a teaser page which is still live, then nothing just dead silence, it was up to the community to work out that R3E was it’s replacement. Who remembers the Lizard engine, What happened with that? If Simbin do reform and I hope they do, they need to change their approach and engage the community better, cause it’s the community that is the ones buying the games. Well this is sad news but it sort of feels like we are also about to get a phoenix from the fire situation later on down the line. My history with Simbin has been all positive. I was grateful and honoured that I got to render out the box cover art for GTR and it was quite a moment to see that when it hit the store shelves.
A great sim to this day and it surely did set a new benchmark. The GT Legends came and did the same again using more historical cars. That became a cult classic and, I think, always underrated. GTR2 comes out and to this day I am still banging in laps on that thing. Day/night cycle, weather, animated pit stops etc etc. (I am aware of the different people that were there at the time) Power and Glory 3 mod further enhanced it and I have a separate install of GTR2 just for that mod which I still use as much as HistorX mod even though they are very different.
GTR Evo follows that and gives us a little more realistic grip levels which they felt it needed. RACE07 to me is just a joy, especially with the Retro Pack (although I do have all the add-ons for it).
Powersliding that Corvette around turn 1 at Poznan and throughout the lap is some good fun. It would have been great to see a full GTR3 sim with the full GT1/GT3 series like it’s predecessors had but maybe that was not possible for whatever reason. RRRE isn’t my cup of tea in terms of how it’s structured but wow does that thing have some amazing sounds, especially on that Audi 90. I wish them contunued success in their new guise and hope they go on to even greater things. Agree with much here ? I really love the Simbin, and the GTR was great found at the time. For me GTR2 was not that great, but on the other hand – the Race07 series has really been something and longtime living – and still are!
Realistic driving, moddable and lot of fun! Unneccessary and rare were those strange drops of the Race07 add-ons which no of us really understood before later. There was no a good visible connection – and lots of people are still misunderstanding the Race07 series. This is also bring us back to Simbin’s lack of communication with press and us simracers. Afcourse and luckely, Jay Ekkel has really been here a lot, and sorted som these needs of communication and understanding.
But these matters should have been done earlier and continously. Simbin have had personell to communicate, but we have not seen those marketing people here or – most importante, communication with the different forums like ISR/SP and more. R3E – I have to say I’m really satisfied!! And this new business model is all ok. Because this give us high-quality all the way, and I prefer this comparing all the puzzle and those bad add-ons. Afcourse there is great modders and teams like MAK Corp.
The new model works fine for me, and I have bough several tracks and cars, and afcourse the DTM-Experience add-on. Now there is new Add-ons coming like GT-Masters with more ? HIGH QUALITY and in my eyes, no doubt that this is the most realistic “game-simulator” today.
– Maybe just a comment about the FREE download; I think it should have been a little more content (track/s) so people just not run away from the 2 fake tracs which does give the impression that the game deserves. Maybe it’s a chance for these guys to take a deep breath of fresh air and find new focus and new motivation. However the fact that this is happening in the first place needs to set examples for overall cost of development and balancing that against the profit margins. Sim Racing Games need to be stronger as an advertisement tool with trade-offs for licensing content.
Sim Racing is a great alternative to the typical FPS and the potential problems that may arise for companies to consider backing violent video games. Racing and driving games are a perfect place for these companies to be. I think what this sad news confirms to us is that our small niche of sim racing is perhaps not capable of sustaining the number of developers currently servicing it.
It is, though, very pleasing that the majority of the SimBin team will be back with us in a new context. Even though I have almost all the DLC content for RRE, I still hope they will consider a return to a more package based business model. A good example of that is how the Rise of Flight WW1 combat sim has created bundles of DLC on Steam. All that micro purchase and pseudo currency stuff on RRE just complicates things and, I believe, inflates the view that is an expensive title for the completist. Until RRE, SimBin titles had excellent mod support and, as we’re seeing with AC right now, that’s something that can win over this community in no small measure. Mod support can either work for you or against you.
I love seeing the true mods appear in AC. I don wonder though who is going to pay for something when they can get it for free 1 click furher. AC will have a fair amount of DLC as far as i can see. If people are epreally enjoying a (example) nissan skyline mod i wonder how many people would bother paying when AC would make their own skyline And sadly enough i fear that nowadays there is only the minority that would bother buying the developer content to show support.
I know for a fact that Kunos can produce better quality work then the average joe, but that is not the question. I have just seen the C6R released, which looks pretty good, sounds ok, no idea how it drives but it cant be all bad. Now if 1000 people downloaded the mod and they enjoyed it, i doubt that more then 10% of those 1000 would go and buy the AC corvette if there was one to be released.
For fun and if you can go to the rF1/rF2 lobbys and check how many servers are running GSC converted content from Reiza. And I bet almost most people didnt buy the the original game from Reiza.
I asked once on of those servers, most of the people have no idea they are running something of a questionable origin, or have ever heard of Reiza/GSC game. Yes, i do believe it is wrong to believe that all simracers buy f.e. GSC so that they can play it on rF. Maybe I was wrong, hence why I asked certain people and their answers baffled me.”Reiza who is reiza, i thought this was a free mod.” So it not about them stealing, its about making sure people inside the community and especially new comers are educated.
We never hid the fact that they were expansion packs, sometimes they were bundled but that is done by the publishers, we always tried to make sure content was availabke seperately. Lol, you re so wrong with your call! ? Am I the person doing that, no i believe its the community that should do it. And there are only a few places that do their best to do so.I just poke at it every now and then to see how things are in the community.
I was very happy to see that Kunos made a statement on their forums condemning ripped content after we released an open letter to the community and ISI has told us that if we see our content on their forums, it would be removed in a heartbeat. RD and a few other forums have had a no cross conversion policy for a long time, but there are still many places that dont care, they just rip and release. Clearly there’s a dilemma here, but I think it’s fair to argue that you have to get the community on your side and it seems to me that the relatively open source of AC has already achieved just that. As MiniFan indicates, the key is for developers to produce clearly superior DLC that’s worth buying above any freeware that’s around. There may be extenuating circumstances behind the SimBin problems that we are unaware of, however it’s a popular view around here that your RRE business model is somewhat flawed. In fact, the key disappointment is that many of us were eagerly anticipating GTR3 and would have much preferred that as opposed to what SimBin decided we all needed. I would query their market research, to say the least.
Well you and I have been around long enough, that assuming the majority of the community will do the right thing is a bit of a fairy tale. Not saying its all bad, its an added challenge for Kunos.
You run the chance you cant beat the amount of modded content with original content. Why pay 15 Eur for a DLC with 2 track and a car, when i can get 15- tracks for free!!!
With regards to our (publishers) bussines model its the model they believe will work, and IMO it can work, but it will require some tweaks and foremost more of a game to give better value for the money. Hotlapping is only fun for so long Just so you know, I will amen the day we can comment on GTR3, but until certain things are decided between the parties involved, we cannot comment on this. “Why pay 15 Eur for a DLC with 2 track and a car, when i can get 15- tracks for free!!!” Couple of things. The reason I’d buy a mod would be that’d I’d expect that to be some sort of guarantee of quality. Amateur mods are a crapshoot at best.
Treat your market with respect, by perhaps not assuming we’re all thieves and arseholes. That said, I’d consider 15 Eur for two cars and a track to be grossly overpriced. After the actual creation of the content, you can sell effectively infinite products for virtually nil resources. You make your money by selling them cheap in perpetuity, not by trying to create some kind of sense of false scarcity.
Sell the same thing for 5 Eur, and you’ll sell in spades. Hoooooo, i think you misunderstood something there. I nowhere said that not buying a DLC makes you a thief.
I said that its a hard sale for who ever is providing the paid content if your competition (aka modders) are giving it away for free. My question was nothing more then a question. Would we buy an original AC car in a dlc, if you can get the exact same car with nearly the same quality for free.
Lets not ignore the fact that there are some talented guys out there, delivering some top notch content for nadathey are not only your fans in a way they are also your competition FYI, the price was just a fictive number, I am all for ikea numbers. I rather sell 1000 for 1 EUR then 1 for 1000 EUR! Yeah, well the prices on RRRE don’t reflect that. As for your question – ‘Would we buy an original AC car in a dlc, if you can get the exact same car with nearly the same quality for free.’ I’ll let you know when and if that happens.
In the meantime, the benefits of encouraging modding far outweigh some hypothetical concerns about ‘competition’. I own copies of GTR, GTR2 and GT Legends, all of which I have bought in the last 5 years.
The first two I had to track down second hand discs, because I couldn’t buy them from Simbin at the time for any price. It’s only been since the Raceroom storefront opened that you even seemed willing to support your own product. I bought GTL solely to use the Historx mod. So, you got a bit of money for an ancient game so that I could play a mod from your ‘competition’. How many other opportunities like that are you and have you been passing up?
So, you agree they’re overpriced? Is that what I can take from that? Nevertheless, you miss my point. At the time (c2009/10) I was looking for them, Simbin had a presence on Steam, which your own website redirected to when you clicked on ‘Store’, but only had Race07 and it’s iterations. The ‘lack of support’ I mentioned has nothing to do with providing servers, but purely with letting me give you money for for a copy in a place where I could reasonably expect it to be ie. The publisher’s website.
And that wasn’t even the main point. The ONLY reason I was looking for these games in the first place was because of the still active modding community. This is not an isolated incident either, and I’m sure I’m not alone. I firmly believe that a developer scorns the modding community at their peril. I find it odd that a company founded by former modders, and that currently employs modders thinks otherwise, but evidently the ‘project owners/management’ over there are all mad as hatters.
Not sure if it was here or on RD where I said that I do believe that the current value for money is crooked. But once MP and SP are released we are a very affordable if not cheap. I see what you mean by support, the distribution right to some of these IP’s were owned by 10Tacle our publisher, but after the bankruptcy in 2009 we filed for those to return to us 100%, which we got later in the year. That slowly started a process of getting these games back in our system again, which resulted in the re-releases in retail and digital forms since then. Nothing we could do prior to that. I am a modder at heart, I still help out mod teams when I have the chance/time. And I am not alone in that quite a few of our developers are helping/creating mods until this day (also for the other games)!
But we stand behind our position of making sure our content is secure, and then look at what we can do with regards to modding. The last thing we want to see is see our hard work end up in a rF/AC. The amount of content I already see popping up on the rF and AC related forums/websites that originally come from our games, in my opionion converting assets has nothing to do with modding. Modding is creating something new from scratch. But in the end each its own, modding is great but also has its downsides, it creates fragmentation in the online side of things, when it becomes unclear what content servers are running, or which version of the track/cars etc etc.
Lets see where we end up with rgeards to modding, I would think more in the direciton of iRacing then int he direction of rf/ac. But only time will tell. The words on Simbin’s history are a bit incomplete.
Most of the various members began working on mods for ISI’s SCGT game in the late 1990s. Then the Simbin Development Team (SBDT) formed and produced the GTRv3 mod for F1 2001. That was followed by the GTR mod for F1 2002.
After that mod many of the team formed the Simbin company to make the GTR game. SMS was formed after GTR2 and GTL’s publisher, 10tacle, went bankrupt.
10tacle was a part-owner in Blimey. Also – Blimey was instrumental in finishing the development of GTR2. The split with Simbin happened during its development and Blimey was contracted to complete the game. AFAIK – the current Simbin still had one member of the old SBDT on its payroll prior to this event. The one thing that keeps surprising me is that SMS has the need to profile themselves as the creators of GTR. Yes they have people in the studio that worked on the GTR series, which I think is great since i still consider most of them as friends.
But if i were part of that team I would be profiling myself as the creators of Project Cars or NFS Shift since those are the games that put you on the map to what you are now. At SimBin and plenty of other studios there are people that worked on various large titles in instrumental positions and possibly founders of some great games.
I still have to see the day that we (SimBin) go out and profile ourselves as the creators from “insert game titles” of people that now are working here. And as many people that left, many stayed, some didn’t go with either place. Some left Blimey!, some left SMS, some left SimBin. That is just the nature of this industry. People move around.
Last but not least, thanks to many of the people that stayed and remained with SimBin, they were instrumental in making sure the world knew about the GTR series or better without these people there would be no GTR game today. Without them none of these companies would have excited today and we would still be making mods! Just my 2p on the matter! Jay, to me it is not about single staff members, those move around in the industry as you say. But you can’t deny that Simbin’s roots go back to the people who are now behind SMS. They got the Simbin name going and laid the foundation for the reputation Simbin’s benefiting from until this very day.
If Vince is correct and only one original SBDT member is still working at Simbin Studios now then this very much prove that point. If that’s true then there’s more original SBDT members involved in pCARS than there’s in Simbin’s current offerings ? I think there’s no need to discuss these things. Simbin’s employing plenty of artists from the community which is always great to see, nothing better than people turning their passion into a profession ?. I am not here to proof a thing really,just saying that credits should go where credits are due.
It is almost fact that everyone involved in those early games would not be here today if it not have been for a large group of other people then the old mod group guys. As good as the “old crew” maybe, without a strong group of “non- old school simbinners” they including myself would mostly likely still sit at home and making mods in our own free time, if the wifes would allow it ofcourse! Big chance is that without those people, there would have been no simbin, there would have been no Blimey and there would ahve been no SMS.
Like i said above, to me its just odd that a top tier studio like SMS, with 120+ people on the payroll, and a handful of old school crew members are still profiling themselves around these (now very) old games as they have so much else to be proud off. Ferrari game, NFS, pCars, and WOS.
If it were me i’d be profiling myself around those games as those have my name on it! FYI, just to avoid confusion and to be clear this is my personal opinion. As much as i would assume you are not here in your official capacity from SMS. We were called ‘Consultants’ whilst we did all of the work and SimBin were working solely on RACE.
Those are the facts. We did all of the work.
Give it a rest as you don’t know the details clearly. SimBin had their credits above us. Check out Moby Games if you don’t believe me.
I built SimBin from nothing. Employed you and everyone else in the company. When it became clear that I could not work with your ‘management’, I took my staff off to greener pastures. And yes, I didn’t take you. I will not have the honest CV’s of my staff sullied by any more of your bullshit.
I’ll respond to your confusion on this one Jay: “Like i said above, to me its just odd that a top tier studio like SMS, with 120+ people on the payroll, and a handful of old school crew members are still profiling themselves around these (now very) old games as they have so much else to be proud off. Ferrari game, NFS, pCars, and WOS.” I suspect for similar reasons that you have a GTR poster behind you in the video above. GTR, GTL and GTR2 were (and are) great games and we’re very proud of making them. Their age is irrelevant to me; I put my heart and soul into making them and am still bitter (yes, after all this time!) about the way we were denied appropriate credit.
To see you propagating that myth here is a shame. We’re no less proud of our recent work, but the recent games have the name of the developer that made them on the box ?. Tried attaching something, but my comment was removed/deleted?
Maybe due to attachments, anyways I thought we moved on.yet here we still are??? I assume we are talking about the same email. I have only ever send you one directly, so it must be.
If that’s the case, then we must have completely different standards when it comes to applying for a job, which is can happen, not a problem. It will not happen again, my apologies for the confusion. This is getting silly, if you want to talk it over you have my contact info.
Otherwise i am going to leave it at this. Good luck with your upcoming release!